Coming for Eclipse Phase: The Stars Our Destination

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AdamJury AdamJury's picture
Coming for Eclipse Phase: The Stars Our Destination

Posthuman Studios is happy to announce that our next electronic sourcebook for Eclipse Phase, The Stars Our Destination, will be available for sale on Monday, November 7th at 2PM EST (9PM GMT).

Written by Eclipse Phase co-creator Brian Cross, The Stars Our Destination details a prominent scum swarm in the Eclipse Phase setting. Gamemasters will find a useful nomadic setting complete with ship descriptions, NPCs, and plot hooks. Players will find a handy background for their scum characters as well as more details and information on how this faction lives and operates.

Get to know characters like Barking Dog, ships named Three Sheets to the Wind and Abstinence Only, and interact with members of over a half-dozen factions that occupy The Stars!

The Stars Our Destination Cover

The Stars Our Destination will be 18 pages, available in both portrait and landscape-oriented PDFs, and priced at only $5.

Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Looks great, and I can't wait to read it.

One minor nitpick, though, the image above has Star as opposed to Stars in the title.

Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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Nice, can't wait :)

Raise your hands to the sky and break the chains. With transhumanism we can smash the matriarchy together.

Re-Laborat Re-Laborat's picture
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Yesyesyesyes!!!

And such a nice hat-tip to Mister Bester.

Tyger, Tyger remains one of my favorite books of all time. Lots and lots of grist for the EP mill in it.

AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Stars is now available!

The Stars Our Destination is now available on DriveThruRPG! This Scum Swarn Setting is 18 pages, in both portrait and landscape-oriented PDFs, and priced at only $5.

Written by Eclipse Phase co-creator Brian Cross, The Stars Our Destination details a prominent scum swarm in the Eclipse Phase setting. Gamemasters will find a useful nomadic setting complete with ship descriptions, NPCs, and plot hooks. Players will find a handy background for their scum characters as well as more details and information on how this faction lives and operates.

The Stars Our Destination Cover

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Mmmm, Eclipse Phase setting stuff. Some interesting bits and pieces. The sample NPCs are particularly handy, each can easily be transplanted to any setting. I would love for more on each ship themselves, but for a £3 e-product, this is more than worth it. Keep putting out this kind of stuff, and you will continue to take all my money.

Hopefully this means PHS is back up and running in proper, and we see more of these kinds of things over the next couple of months.

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OrangeRequired OrangeRequired's picture
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CodeBreaker wrote:
Keep putting out this kind of stuff, and you will continue to take all my money.

And mine. Absolutely.

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Awesome ebook! it's very instructive about the way the Scum operates
François Leclerc is really cracking me up! it should be really fun to play with him
(especially considering that most of the PCs on my hiatused party are uplifted. wonder if I should have my character Jesse nicknamed "the Zoo Keeper"! I'm so gonna eat teflon-tungstene gauss gun slugs for that joke!)

Adam, I don't know if it's just on my end, but on the portrait version of the pdf, the Spacecraft table is split in two, between the page 11 and 18 (which page is mostly blank, with just the background and the table's second half. I checked the landscape version, and the table is whole on page 11, and page 18 provides the plot hooks. I though I'd let you know

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AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Spacecraft are on pp. 9 and 11 of the portrait version, and then I included them all on p. 18 sorted alphabetically (instead of by ship-class).

They all fit on one page in the Landscape version, so I didn't include the entire table twice in it.

Demonseed Elite Demonseed Elite's picture
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Great example of the kind of material I love to see in PDF releases.

"It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards." --The White Queen, Through The Looking-Glass

lmckenzi lmckenzi's picture
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Wanted to provide some feedback, but before I do, just wanted to set the context that I absolutely love the EP setting and think that the work that's gone into all of the source book's is amazing.

When I first opened The Stars Our Destination, I was disappointed. This was an initial reaction, without even reading it, driven almost solely by the page count. There were a couple of reasons. The first was that I somehow thought this was going to be a major supplement (a la Gatecrashing). The second is that the content differential vs. price differential between this product and your last one was quite significant.

Looking at it more rationally, it's my own fault for not checking the page-count before downloading. And it's probably not so much an issue of the price point being too high for Stars, but rather the price point being too low for Gatecrashing. $10 for almost 200 pages is an awesomely amazing deal. Unfortunately the result is that $5 for only 18 pages sort of sucks by comparison.

I understand that the economics of electronic publishing are not linear. So messing around with price points isn't necessarily that practical. (Though I personally would happily pay $20 or $25 for a product like Gatecrashing.) What might help is to manage expectations a little bit better. When shopping on DriveThruRPG, it's not necessarily obvious exactly what you're getting. If you look closely, you can generally figure it out. But for those (like me this time) who don't look closely, they may set themselves up for a disappointment.

Simply prefixing the names would help a great deal. For example:
- "Eclipse Phase Short Fiction: Melt" instead of "Eclipse Phase: Melt"
- "Eclipse Phase Expansion: Gatecrashing"
- "Eclipse Phase Gaming Supplement: The Stars our Destination"

I'm not in love with the "Short Fiction", "Expansion" or "Gaming Supplement". Hopefully someone could come up with better (shorter) and more intuitive labels. But I think having more precise branding of the distinct EP "product types" might help.

I'm going to keep buying EP stuff regardless because I love it and I want to support you guys any way I can. But others may not be as dedicated and may experience a similar initial reaction to the one I did. I figured I'd share so at least you knew there was a possible issue. Do with it (or not) as you will :>

AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Hey lmckenzi,

I wrote an article awhile back about the reasoning behind your price points on electronic-exclusive projects -- it might be enlightening: http://adamjury.com/2011/pricing-for-niche-electronic-titles/

The page count for The Stars Our Destination was advertised in the announcement that it would be available today, the announcement today that it was available, and it's in the "stat-block" on DTRPG. I'll add a second note about it to the DTRPG description, though.

lmckenzi lmckenzi's picture
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The page count was there. I was just so excited about downloading the newest EP offering I neglected to read that far. So no issues of false advertising. And as I said, I understand that the price points aren't likely to change. That's why my suggestion for some sort of naming convention that makes it clear what "type" of product it is.

In terms of the price point, I understand your rationale for the lower prices for the big books, and the need to maintain a minimum price for the small books. Unfortunately that understanding doesn't change the visceral reaction to the pages-price differential. And not everyone who has that reaction will have gamer friends or forum posts from the author that help them to make the intellectual leap of why things are as they are. Don't know there's an easy answer to the problem though.

I'll be happy to see the "pay what you want" experiment. Then I can pay you more for the big books and feel all is right with the world again . . .

AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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lmckenzi wrote:
That's why my suggestion for some sort of naming convention that makes it clear what "type" of product it is.

I don't think that size really has much to do with type, though...

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I'll be happy to see the "pay what you want" experiment. Then I can pay you more for the big books and feel all is right with the world again . . .

Well, you could just consider that Stars cost you $2 and Gatecrashing $13. :-)

GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture
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The book is exactly the thing a Scum loving friend of mine looked for (he somehow manages to not even trying to keep up with news regarding favored RPGs. lazy bum <.<)

Like lmckenzi i was a bit confused and just hit the "BUY" button too fast XD
I really thought it was a full-specced sourcebook (i didn't even consider the price, i stopped doing it for EP since the aforelinked blogpost) and there was a second of disappointment.
Nevertheless, i like what i've nosed through so far. It'll give me plenty of inspiration on creating my own Scum Swarm, my preferred setting in EP (Not bound to a location, many different cultures, etc).

GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture
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>>Doublepost<<

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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GreyBrother wrote:

Like lmckenzi i was a bit confused and just hit the "BUY" button too fast XD
I really thought it was a full-specced sourcebook

I agree that the use of Sourcebook may have been a mistake. Note that the final release doesn't actually use the word, probably on advisement from the proofreaders (I know I mentioned it in my notes).

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Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Now that I've gotten a chance to sit down and read this, really nice job. The swarm may just visit Mars on down the line in the game I'm running.

Out of curiosity, when you guys are stating up the NPCs for this and for the adventure supplements, do you generally build them at specific point levels or just give them what seems appropriate for them to have given their age and experience?

hazemyth hazemyth's picture
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Just got it. Loved it! Definitely would enjoy more sourcebook supplements like this in future!

Azathoth Azathoth's picture
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Bought this as soon as drivethrurpg sent me an email saying it was available, and read it same day.

For $5 I thought it was well worth it! I like getting fluff in these nice, easily digested bundles. I especially liked the detailed inner workings of how the fleet is run and maintains itself. Some ship maps wouldn't have hurt, though. ;)

I hope we see more like this! Maybe some individual habitats and the like.

nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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Azathoth wrote:
Some ship maps wouldn't have hurt, though. ;)

I've been experimenting with ship maps. If anyone figures out a way to clearly and intuitively display a 3D map for a massive ship, please tell me! So far mine have been full of fail.

nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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I finished reading it, and I'm still a little troubled by the lack of detail on how an anarchist society, especially an overcrowded one, functions from a social justice perspective. Perhaps what I'm missing is a clear explanation of what is an 'anti-social crime' (since it apparently doesn't include selling weapons to bad guys, cooking up drugs, killing people and saying they cheated you in a commercial trade, or beating people up for protection money, but it DOES include holding socially conservative values, or rejecting biomodifications).

Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Some of my thoughts on the matter, although I do hope we see this fleshed out further in Rimward:

While holding socially conservative values and rejecting biomodifications is going to having most of the scum thinking you're a little weird, I don't think they count as anti-social crimes until you start trying to enforce those values on others.

Making drugs can essentially be considered a public service, since they're something that people want. If you make particularly good drugs, you're probably going to earn a fair bit of rep for it.

Selling weapons is much like selling anything else. If you're selling to members of the community in good standing, then you're helping to protect the community. You might get censured (or, in an extreme case, shut down) if you sell to people who are enemies of the fleet/collective, but otherwise, it's just a business.

The thing to keep in mind on killing people who cheat you is that since killing someone isn't permanent, all you're really doing is sending a very clear signal of your displeasure. If they're in a biomorph and taken to a healing vat, they're not even out the cost of their morph. The one doing the killing also probably has proof of the debt and continued lack of repayment despite lesser measures to collect. You're essentially looking at a slightly more extreme form of social censure rather than anything final, at least assuming they're not targeting the backup as well.

Protection rackets I do see as problematic, though it might balance out somewhat if protection is actually being provided. If not, you're essentially a parasite on the community, and that _should_ be subject to censure, whether violent or otherwise.

puke puke's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Some ship maps wouldn't have hurt, though. ;)

I've been experimenting with ship maps. If anyone figures out a way to clearly and intuitively display a 3D map for a massive ship, please tell me! So far mine have been full of fail.

Jovian chronicles has the best (among the only) realistic gravity ship schematics I have found yet. Look at their fleet books. They also have station designs and maps of umwraped oneil cylinders. The other option would be 2300 AD. GURPS THS is the only other game in this genre that I can think of. While their designs are all backed by heavy detail and lots of math, you won't find any art or a single schematic.

Since there is something of a vacuum in this regard, I'm a bit sad that PHS hasn't had much on offer here.

Azathoth Azathoth's picture
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puke wrote:
Jovian chronicles has the best (among the only) realistic gravity ship schematics I have found yet. Look at their fleet books. They also have station designs and maps of umwraped oneil cylinders.

Just checked these out on drive thru rpg. They're reasonably priced at $6.89 a pop! Any recommendation out of the 4 I saw available?

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Another good inspiration for a realistic gravity ship design is shown in the Expanse series.
In it, the Martian Fleet's flag ship, the Dowager, is described as a huuuuuuuge flying building, with the propulsion at the "basement" and the nose/sensors/com array on the "roof"

the acceleration of the ship also give the gravity, by pushing everything "downward" toward the propulsion.

Q U I N C E Y ^_*_^ F O R D E R

Remember The Cant!

puke puke's picture
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Gosh, I dont think those covers match mine, maybe I have older editions. I think there are more stations and habitat designs in the planet books, like CISLunar Space. Of the faction fleet books, the Jovian and CEGA ones are the best.

Venus's ships are a little wierd. a little bit like kilrathi ships, sort of flying horseshoes. but imagine that they're asymetric and spun for gravity. yeah... On the other hand, the JC version of Venus is also a wealthy corporate paradise, just like in EP. Hmmm.

Anyway, I recomend the Jovian ones. The designs are modular, and the appendex even includes the various components they used to make the drawings so you can mix and match your own in the drawing program of your choice. I think I have the first one of the two, but looking at DTRPG now, I'm honestly not sure. I'm pretty sure they re-made them when they reformated the rules to be OGL compatible and to have all the "silhouette" rules in its own book.

CEGA has nice designs as well, but I dont think it had quite as many or quite as detailed pictures.