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NiallNai NiallNai's picture
What year is it?

I know that it is AF 10. What is the year as for as Old Earth reckoning?

Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
I read in another response

I read in another response that they've deliberately left that vague and unsaid.

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GregH GregH's picture
In some thread on here or

In some thread on here or RPG.net Rob or someone else involved in the game said that if they had to ballpark it they'd say over a century but under 200 years... Soo I'd guess AF10 is somewhere around the early 22nd century?

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
2174

2174

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kylleran kylleran's picture
2121

2121

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RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
2600. Oh, wait, that's

2600. Oh, wait, that's something else.


2110.

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GregH GregH's picture
In all seriousness... given

In all seriousness... given what I've been reading so far is it possible that transhumanity honestly does NOT know the current date and the BF/AF calender is based on another aspect of picking up the pieces... there was a LOT of netwar going on and so much else was lost (and I could see s sufficiently malicious TITAN or oppurtunist taking out date references just for the shock of the disconnect). Suddenly I'm having this mental image of Sava, Pivo, Sarlo, and Berk going back down to Earth to raid abandoned residences in a well-funded effort to find a calender...

The Doctor The Doctor's picture
Game year?

I was leaning toward making the game year pretty far out to make a clean break with what my players think of as being "the future", something like 3000 c.e. or therabouts. Far enough out that preconceived notions of how things might work can be thrown out without too much trouble.



CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Something based on this. What location does the AF/BF calander use to determine time? Do people still live 24 hour days, or has the evacuation of Earth resulted in a much looser definition? What about determining years? Is it still the amount of time the Earth takes to orbit Sol?

I am more inclined to think that each of the planets has its own calender system (And people use their Muses to transition between them), but wondering if there is some actual discussion of this anywhere?

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RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
Answered this in another

Answered this in another thread I think, but for consistency and nostalgia most people still to Earth-measurements for timekeeping, though in the Mars chapter of Sunward we note a specific Martian calendar. Given everyone has a muse, it's easy to keep track of multiple calendars/timekeeping systems.

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jackgraham jackgraham's picture
Martian time/calendar

Martian time zones are based on AMT (Aery Mean Time) and expressed as offsets from crater Aery-0. The Martian calendar is based on Thomas Gangale's Darian calendar. (New Year's is 10/24 this year!).

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zenfar zenfar's picture
Re: What year is it?

It could be after the Mayan Calender has reset itself. Of course that could mean 2012 or 7138.

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Lomax Lomax's picture
Re: What year is it?

As the Men of Iron have rebelled against mankind, we should be in the Dark Age of Technology, ca. in the 21st millenium. So we generally only need to survive ca. 9 millenia until this guy turns up :P

Matrix Matrix's picture
Re: What year is it?

And then we'll spend the next ten thousand years piously worshipping him.

I'll pass.

Transhuman conspiracy and horror > grim dark brutal 41st millenium

GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture
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But... what about all the Grimdark :[

I put on my slopes and wizard tracks.

Matrix Matrix's picture
Re: What year is it?

Actually, I have an idea.

Create a bastard child of EP and Warhammer 40,000. The aim is to put as much dark comedy and canon defilement in as possible.

Next, kill the creators of both games. No, seriously. Afterwards, connect their entombed bodies to electrical generators.

Then, make sure someone somewhere will be playing the bastard game all the time. The amount of spinning in the grave the late creators will be performing will generate enough power to fuel humanity's unstoppable expansion into the galaxy.

And then? We create an Emperor.

NiallNai NiallNai's picture
Re: What year is it?

Matrix wrote:
Actually, I have an idea.

Create a bastard child of EP and Warhammer 40,000. The aim is to put as much dark comedy and canon defilement in as possible.

Next, kill the creators of both games. No, seriously. Afterwards, connect their entombed bodies to electrical generators.

Then, make sure someone somewhere will be playing the bastard game all the time. The amount of spinning in the grave the late creators will be performing will generate enough power to fuel humanity's unstoppable expansion into the galaxy.

And then? We create an Emperor.

As the OP, I just have to ask: How the hell did my question lead to this? I just wanted a calendar day.

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
Re: What year is it?

Heh, I actually like WH40K. I do wish I could find a sci-fi miniatures line to use when running EP that didn't have epic shoulder pads on all of the humans, though. I might have to bite the bullet and hunt down some old Star Frontiers minis, since the 15mm Traveller minis are so hard to find.

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zenfar zenfar's picture
Re: What year is it?

15mm Traveller minis now that is old school, wash your hands before you eat the chips.

Glen
Zenfar

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
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Oooh, yeah, forgot about that... Old Star Frontiers minis, hmm, would those have been lead, too? (Not that I should go there... one of my group would no doubt spot the Vrusk and want to play some kinda weird mantis morph!)

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HappyDaze HappyDaze's picture
Re: What year is it?

The Vrusk has 8 legs and two arms. That sounds like an Arachnoid with synthetic mask to me.

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
Re: What year is it?

*Restores order to thread.*

Oh, yeah. Niall, the year is 2218.

And yes, I know that's a different answer than I gave last time. But world events force me to re-ballpark every few months. You know how it goes...

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raverbane raverbane's picture
Re: In all seriousness... given

GregH wrote:
In all seriousness... given what I've been reading so far is it possible that transhumanity honestly does NOT know the current date and the BF/AF calender is based on another aspect of picking up the pieces... there was a LOT of netwar going on and so much else was lost (and I could see s sufficiently malicious TITAN or oppurtunist taking out date references just for the shock of the disconnect). Suddenly I'm having this mental image of Sava, Pivo, Sarlo, and Berk going back down to Earth to raid abandoned residences in a well-funded effort to find a calender...

I understand why they might want to avoid specific dates, from the writers' points of view. But, for internal continuity, I am not buying the explaination of "so much was lost in the netwar". That seems to be too easy an excuse that gets used as a 'handwavium' when a real reason cant be figured out.

There are MILLIONS of people that were around when the Fall happened and from before the fall. You are telling me NOT A SINGLE person can remember a date from before the Fall and simply count time stamps on chat logs that that have occured since then? Eidetic Memory is a not so an uncommon implant...

Seem awfully convientent that so much simple data, like dates and historical data was lost in the netwars, but all the technical data seemed to survive just fine...

7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
Re: In all seriousness... given

Gotta say that I agree with raverbane on this.

The netwar irretrievably scambled dates in every single computer and server? Nobody anywhere , at the very least, had an old-style hard-copy calendar or almanac? Nobody happened to remember a personally significant thing like their birthdate or the warranty expiration date on their ecto? C'mon.

The more I think about it, the more whacked this aspect of the background seems to me. Astronomical / navigational references (both computer and hard-copy) would have astronomical positions and alignments plotted out for years, possibly centuries or even millennia in advance - accurate to within fractions of a second. Even if date references had been completely wiped from everywhere else, something could be reconstructed from there. Probably quite easily.

Now, I can accept that various groups and entities went their respective ways as regards calendars and time-keeping both before and after The Fall. It would be difficult to "fit" Earth's calendar to Mars or Titan, for example. It could also have been that Earth was kind of the Solar System's lynchpin as regards all this - everybody did their own thing as regards time-keeping and calendars, but Earth time was the one thing they all shared.

In the aftermath of Earth's loss, there may have been difficulties as various groups (many of whom didn't like each other much anyhow) tried to coordinate systems without Earth involvement. But note that commerce and bureaucracy would both demand that proper consistency be maintained (or very quickly restored) as regards time-keeping and calendars. Be hard to see how it could be otherwise - might be some quirks and inconsistencies in times and dates between, say, the Jovian Junta and Mars, but these things would be ironed out (or papered over) very soon.

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TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
Re: In all seriousness... given

As per the Eclipse Phase Timeline:
60+ BF is roughly around now so that would put the current game time is around 2080 (give or take 10 years).

Personally I tend to think of the BF/AF the same way I think of BC/AD where anything BC is sceptic at best and lost to the sands of time. Same with BF, we know when certain events occurred BF but not the exact dates (as that info was lost in the Fall).

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7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
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Trouble being that this assumes that nobody had archives or hard copies of anything.

Even if printed reference books and written records had fallen into total disuse (which, given the diversity of groups in EP, I honestly have trouble believing), examples would still exist in museum exhibits, library archives, antique collections, family heirlooms and personal keepsakes. Maybe not covering every iota of data, but enough to cover the fundamentals, surely, and probably more.

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standard_gravity standard_gravity's picture
Re: What year is it?

The reason for the vague timeline is not that all records were lost in the Fall, but that 1) the devs don't want to pin it down as technological advancement etc constantly changes the supposed timing of the Singularity and 2) it's totallty irrelevant to an EP game.

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7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
Re: What year is it?

standard_gravity wrote:
The reason for the vague timeline is not that all records were lost in the Fall, but that 1) the devs don't want to pin it down as technological advancement etc constantly changes the supposed timing of the Singularity and 2) it's totallty irrelevant to an EP game.

I do realize (1), thank you for your input.

As for (2), I think that gauging relevance, or lack thereof, is pretty much up to the individual.

Is it of vital importance? Nope, but people on the InterNet do like to argue and nitpick about the darnedest things, don't they?

In this case, the point being made by myself and others is that the "official" in-background excuse for the vague timeline / lack of dating is rather dubious, if just from a Hard Science and/or Common Sense viewpoint.

"Do it? ... Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome?
I did it thirty-five minutes ago."

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TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
Re: What year is it?

Regardless of what time it is AD in EP, The people will use 10AF anyway as that is what is relevant to them now (not the archaic old Earth time record). Further more how do we know that 1 year AF is equal to 1 year AD. For all we know time has been standardized and a new decimal standard year is used (instead of the ~365.25 days in a year current year standard).

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Your body is a temple. Maintain it.
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Cardul Cardul's picture
Re: What year is it?

7thSeaLord wrote:
standard_gravity wrote:

In this case, the point being made by myself and others is that the "official" in-background excuse for the vague timeline / lack of dating is rather dubious, if just from a Hard Science and/or Common Sense viewpoint.

I thought that the reason for the BF/AF divide was because the Fall was a singular event,
much like the reason why Christians forced our dating system to be based around when
they thought the Birth of Christ was? I mean, previous, it was measuring dates based on
the years of the reign of individual kings. IIRC, does not the Jewish Calendar date itself
from the building of the Temple of Solomon? Is the going BF/AF any different from BC/AD
aka BCE/CE divide? It represents a psychological effect of losing Sacred Terra and being
forced to a diaspora. It is a single point where everything before was irreconcilable with
what came before.(I always wondered, myself, why SR never changed its date system to
base it on Before the Awakening, and After the Awakening.)

7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
Re: What year is it?

That most, if not all, subsets of transhuman culture chose to start a "new" calendar with the Big Watchamacallit as the reference point, I have no problem with. Really.

[ OK, one problem, but I'll go back to that shortly.]

But, for the reasons mentioned, it would ALREADY be known what year it was in the Gregorian, Julian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Chinese, Japanese, Islamic, Mayan and whatever other calendaic system you would care to name. Saying that nobody knows what year The Fall was in doesn't cut it.

Back to the previously mentioned problem. So, transhumanity uses a "standard" calender - presumably of 365.25 x 24 hour days? The only place in the entire system that this would be of any relevance, or even vaguely workable, would be Earth itself. Everywhere else has widely varying years and daylengths, and trying to make these "fit" the Earth system would be one huge pointless headache.

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I did it thirty-five minutes ago."

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7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
Re: What year is it?

My theory / explanation is that most places / subcultures in EP have their own calendars, or derivatives thereof. Available from the Mesh, and/or found in certain implants, are the means for easily converting the numerous formats, with the Earth calendar widely available as a general default mode. Of course, there are probably groups that use the Earth format regardless, and others that see it as an offensive relic that should be deleted.

"Do it? ... Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome?
I did it thirty-five minutes ago."

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TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
Re: What year is it?

Cardul wrote:

I thought that the reason for the BF/AF divide was because the Fall was a singular event,
much like the reason why Christians forced our dating system to be based around when
they thought the Birth of Christ was? I mean, previous, it was measuring dates based on
the years of the reign of individual kings. IIRC, does not the Jewish Calendar date itself
from the building of the Temple of Solomon? Is the going BF/AF any different from BC/AD
aka BCE/CE divide? It represents a psychological effect of losing Sacred Terra and being
forced to a diaspora. It is a single point where everything before was irreconcilable with
what came before.(I always wondered, myself, why SR never changed its date system to
base it on Before the Awakening, and After the Awakening.)

I think that using the Fall in EP is more of a unifying event then the Awakening in SR. In the SR universe everyone still lives on Earth, they still follow their own cultures, and there is still a lot of divergence on the overall direction of humankind. In EP the Fall had a unifying and focusing effect on transhumanity in the sense that it effected everyone equally and everyone now knows the survival of transhumanity is the number one priority (they may argue how to save transhumanity, but they all know it needs to survive). I imagine that there would be some groups (mostly magical groups) in SR that do use the Awakening as the base mark to their own personal calendar system, but they are the minority.

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Your mind is original. Preserve it.
Your body is a temple. Maintain it.
Immortality is an illusion. Forget it.

Cardul Cardul's picture
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7thSeaLord wrote:

But, for the reasons mentioned, it would ALREADY be known what year it was in the Gregorian, Julian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Chinese, Japanese, Islamic, Mayan and whatever other calendaic system you would care to name. Saying that nobody knows what year The Fall was in doesn't cut it.

See, here is a problem. You keep saying this, but I have not seen it explicitly
stated anywhere that "nobody knows the Pre-Fall date." It just seems that they
do not use it, and that, simply, the Pre-Fall date is irrelevant.

standard_gravity standard_gravity's picture
Re: What year is it?

Agreed. And if a group needs a date, pick one! There is no detailed background story of life on Earth pre-Fall anyway, so it really doesn't matter to the EP setting. I mean, if the devs came out and said, "well, year 0 AF was definitely year 2178 AD", that doesn't tell me anything.

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7thSeaLord 7thSeaLord's picture
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Cardul wrote:
See, here is a problem. You keep saying this, but I have not seen it explicitly
stated anywhere that "nobody knows the Pre-Fall date." It just seems that they
do not use it, and that, simply, the Pre-Fall date is irrelevant.

I suppose I could be wrong, but at this stage I am certain I have seen that stated someplace. Pardon me while I leaf through all 390+ pages of the rulebook. Gonna take a while ...

In the meantime, there would be a lot of people who would at least remember when the "old" calendar ceased to be used, and what date the changeover took place - there is always going to be somebody who remembers. Plus, very likely, a few that keep using the old system regardless. There is always somebody.

Yeah, sure, one could simply make something up. No worries there. But then we would not have had this discussion. ;)

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I did it thirty-five minutes ago."

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standard_gravity standard_gravity's picture
Re: What year is it?

Soon enough its 2010 - happy NY everybody!

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thefnord thefnord's picture
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7thSeaLord wrote:
My theory / explanation is that most places / subcultures in EP have their own calendars, or derivatives thereof. Available from the Mesh, and/or found in certain implants, are the means for easily converting the numerous formats, with the Earth calendar widely available as a general default mode. Of course, there are probably groups that use the Earth format regardless, and others that see it as an offensive relic that should be deleted.

My theory goes more along the lines that standard calendars and dates are all well and fine when you're on a single planet or in near-orbit of it. Once you get reasonably closer to/further form the sun, the star around which the length of our days and nights were calculated, you're in a completely different frameset. One 'day' on Mercury lasts 175 days 22 hours 32 minutes, according to Wolfram Alpha. On Pluto? 6 days 9 hours 16 minutes 10 seconds

And that leaves out the issues we'll likely see in Sunward, where you're never actually in a nightzone, so to speak.

I've been using Charlie Stross' Accelerando method; seconds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(time) Mostly kiloseconds and megaseconds.

That's a unit of time that doesn't really change. And you don't need a point of reference aside 'now'.

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RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
Re: What year is it?

Yeah, we never say that no one in EP knows the actual date, the knowledge wasn't lost or anything like that. We simply left it out, on purpose, for reasons already covered.

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The Doctor The Doctor's picture
Re: 2600. Oh, wait, that's

*beeeeeep.. ker-chunk!*

*whine....*

:)

Mandella Mandella's picture
Re: What year is it?

Well, since the core book states that Uranus' south pole is in "mid-spring," and assuming mid-spring is half way between the Vernal and Summer solstice for the south pole, then the possible near future dates are 2060, 2144, or 2228, give or take five years.

The African writeup also in the core book discusses the economic situation in the latter half of the 21st century as being relevant as to the situation at the time of the Fall, so that would support 2144 for the current time, unless the author made the common mistake of confusing "21st century" with "the 2100s," in which case 2228 is a better fit.

Or, my quick back of the envelope calculations for Uranus' positions are totally off due to some screwball error, in which case I will have egg on my face in my very first post here.

And yes, this is only of interest if you're thinking of modeling the positions of the planets at the time of the game, which is what I am indeed thinking of doing.

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
Re: What year is it?

Mandella wrote:
Well, since the core book states that Uranus' south pole is in "mid-spring," and assuming mid-spring is half way between the Vernal and Summer solstice for the south pole, then the possible near future dates are 2060, 2144, or 2228, give or take five years.

Yay, someone finally picked up on that. :)

Don't take it as canon, though. The official answer remains, "Years are reckoned in AF. If your GM wants it to be a specific year, they can decide on whatever they want."

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puke puke's picture
Re: What year is it?

the timeline for -60 AF also sounds rather like present day. But I wouldnt put it past wiley ETIs to move planets around just on a lark.

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
Re: What year is it?

we don't know what events occured between now and 60 BF.

There could have been a third world war that caused a bit of a technological recession, before it picked up again.

Take a look at the 12 Colonies, for exemple.
Clearly the computer systems and interface, vehicles and stuff were more advanced in the days of Daniel Graystone and Joseph Adama than there was in the time of William Adama's near retirement time right at the beginning of the second Cylon War.

Another exemple, in "our" world's fictive future.
Look at Ghost In The Shell and Real Drive (2030~2061) and then Appleseed (2110s) . There was a big drawback. The only cyberbrains we saw in Appleseed were the old human council.

Assuming that between now in 2010 and that in 2060s, something might have cause our technological race to pause, then resume, add 60 years to reach the Fall. A two years long process, I reckon. That put us around 2140s

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puke puke's picture
Re: What year is it?

touche. based on this, http://www.faustweb.net/solaris/solar.html?time=1-1-2144 your 2144 number looks reasonable. zoom out to the outer planets, and assume that you are viewing it from below instead of above. then compare to the EP solar system chart on page 87. I'm wasnt imediatly able to make the inner system line up perfectly, but im sure that it comes close.

I think i saw another thread somewhere here where someone talks about using planetarium software to project the orbits of the planets in a similar way, but i cant find it now.

Noirfatale Noirfatale's picture
Re: What year is it?

jackgraham wrote:
Heh, I actually like WH40K. I do wish I could find a sci-fi miniatures line to use when running EP that didn't have epic shoulder pads on all of the humans, though. I might have to bite the bullet and hunt down some old Star Frontiers minis, since the 15mm Traveller minis are so hard to find.

have you tried Infinity?

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity_ENG/

a transhuman game of super manga inspired conflict of hi tech and ballistic with hackers and robots.

the figs are awesome, the rulebook is full of stuff. I actually thinked of using eclipse phase to play in infinity universe.

nick012000 nick012000's picture
Re: What year is it?

jackgraham wrote:
Mandella wrote:
Well, since the core book states that Uranus' south pole is in "mid-spring," and assuming mid-spring is half way between the Vernal and Summer solstice for the south pole, then the possible near future dates are 2060, 2144, or 2228, give or take five years.

Yay, someone finally picked up on that. :)

Don't take it as canon, though. The official answer remains, "Years are reckoned in AF. If your GM wants it to be a specific year, they can decide on whatever they want."

Plus or minus five years or so, since "mid-spring" is hardly exact, and 1/8th of a Uranian year (half of one season) is about ten Earth-years.

+1 r-Rep , +1 @-rep

jackgraham jackgraham's picture
Re: What year is it?

Noirfatale wrote:
jackgraham wrote:
Heh, I actually like WH40K. I do wish I could find a sci-fi miniatures line to use when running EP that didn't have epic shoulder pads on all of the humans, though. I might have to bite the bullet and hunt down some old Star Frontiers minis, since the 15mm Traveller minis are so hard to find.

have you tried Infinity?

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity_ENG/

a transhuman game of super manga inspired conflict of hi tech and ballistic with hackers and robots.

the figs are awesome, the rulebook is full of stuff. I actually thinked of using eclipse phase to play in infinity universe.

Seconded on Infinity. I've been using this line for my EP campaign. WH40K minis are too... shoulder pad-y. :)

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puke puke's picture
Re: What year is it?

yeah, but GW has one of the best budgets and highest quality minis in the business. a friend of mine has used guardsmen and imperial agents and necrons for minis in all sorts of games, and he's never played warhammer in his life.

I used to be on a weekly wargame diet, back in the warhammer 2nd ed days. even then, what many people consider to be the golden age of warhammer, the rules pretty much sucked and the need to keep up to date on codexes and white dwarfs to have the most effective army... well... lets just say that any time my friends and I brought in a different game like BattleTroops or StarGrunt, all the old warhammer guys would crowd around and say "that looks neat, can we use our warhammer minis in it?"

But I honestly dont play with minis anymore. in RPGs, we just wave our hands around and occasionally scribble on some scrap paper if we need an idea of a battle map. I wouldnt mind playing a wargame again, but I dont have time to play RPGs as often as I would like anymore, and wargames would just cut into whats left. I imagine some day I'll run into some enthusiastic kid who is really into warhammer or battletech, and i'll pass the torch on.

Well that was a long off topic post. I dont know what year it is, but i know that being in my thirties is definitly too young to stop playing with my toys. gawdammit.

puke puke's picture
Re: What year is it?

too much time on my hands, it would seem. I submit this as a very close match for both the inner and outer system planet configurations seen on the EP map. http://www.faustweb.net/solaris/solar.html?time=29-9-2146

flipped upside down, of course.

Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: What year is it?

puke wrote:
too much time on my hands, it would seem. I submit this as a very close match for both the inner and outer system planet configurations seen on the EP map. http://www.faustweb.net/solaris/solar.html?time=29-9-2146

flipped upside down, of course.

February 1st, 2057 is also fairly close according to that site, and isn't flipped upside-down.

Then again, it is wholly possible that the map was not designed intentionally to match any specific date. I do wonder, however, what approximate date the creators used for 10 AF during the design process.

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