Why no official canine and feline uplifts and morphs?

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Augur Augur's picture
Why no official canine and feline uplifts and morphs?

I've been following the game for some years now, and I'm a bit surprised that the two type of animals that humanity most often associate with apparently never got uplifted or never got morphs made for them.

Is there a reason for not having canine and feline uplifts and morphs in the official material?

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DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
I think its because they are

I think its because they are harder to uplift. Various primates, elephants, pigs, dolphins, octopuses, and other critters were already smart before transhumanity tried to uplift them. At least, that is the official explanation. Transhumanity has uplifted the low hanging fruit.

They did make cats into swarm cats. There is clearly no shortage of gene splicing for cats.

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Low hanging fruit

In Panopticon they covered the history of uplifting and they said that uplifting targeted all of the low hanging fruit of the species that exist.

That's why there was a surge of uplifted species and then a 30+ year period of no uplifts. Dog and cat brains are too simple to uplift to sentience.

But I'm sure that there are plenty of splicer/exalt morphs that look like you would expect a canine and feline uplift to look.

In Transhuman there is the Critter morph, which was written to be a quadruped uplift looking animal pod morph but the artist submitted an anthropomorphic image.

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Urthdigger Urthdigger's picture
Honestly, in games I've

Honestly, in games I've played in we usually rule that the Critter morph is modded enough that you can find all sorts that fit the profile. One recent game had a player whose Critter looked like a pokemon (after a running gag from a previous game that there was a "pokehab" populated by absolute fanatics of the ancient game). Also, nothing says the DM can't rule in more extreme uplifts, albeit likely rarer: Two that I've seen are rat morphs that generally keep to themselves and let the wider world of transhumanity pass them by, and a singular koala uplift that was created by a hypercorp for a TV show before things went horribly, horribly wrong.

The rules, as is the case for all pen & paper RPGs, are more like guidelines.

GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture
You can also go the other way

You can also go the other way around. While lorewise there are no uplifted Cats or Dogs, you will surely find folks who make "Anthropomorphic Animal" not just a look but also a culture to the point of bringing up their kids fit for it.

Basically Furries exist and you can draw all the conclusions from that in regards to colorful and interesting morphs as well as lots of queerness and genderfuckery going on. :D

Augur Augur's picture
I had forgotten that little

I had forgotten that little tidbit in Panopticon.

Thanks all for your answers!

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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
Uplifted dogs would be fine,

Uplifted dogs would be fine, but can you imagine what chaos an uplifted cat would cause? Transhuman sociopaths.

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Gnothi_Sauton Gnothi_Sauton's picture
There could also be a simple

There could also be a simple explanation; the authors doesn’t want their game to attract the Furry community. LOL

(Just a joke. Don’t overreact on my comment. I know they have nothing against that community.)

Urthdigger Urthdigger's picture
Yeah... they've got plenty of

Yeah... they've got plenty of other morphs that appeal to that demographic pretty hard already anyway!

Retlaw Retlaw's picture
Just imagine all the cat fur

Just imagine all the cat fur floating in 0g..or octomorph/cat hybrids

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Gnothi_Sauton wrote:There

Gnothi_Sauton wrote:
There could also be a simple explanation; the authors doesn’t want their game to attract the Furry community. LOL

(Just a joke. Don’t overreact on my comment. I know they have nothing against that community.)


No, but seriously, we're already here because the only other option would be HSD and at least the people i play with don't want to touch that game with a 10 foot pole.

We'd much rather have the option to also play something more human shaped and the rules system of EP is open enough that you can just design the look you want for your morph. Why accept anything less?

nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
(What is HSD?)

(What is HSD?)

The question for you, GB, is is it sufficient to have a 'human' morph modded to look kitty, or does it actually have to be primarily cat genestock? And is a modified cat morph without a cat ego sufficient, or do you actually need full uplift?

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HSD means Hc Svnt Dracones

HSD means Hc Svnt Dracones (There Be Dragons in Latin).

It was made by a team of furries and targeted at furries, and is some sort of mash-up of many cyberpunk/post-apocalyptic/transhuman/post-humans/furry ideas and themes.

But it's a bad mash-up in my opinion.

If you're curious and have 3$ on hand, get the pdf on Drivethru via the link above and see by yourself.

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As close to official as it gets...

If I'm remembering correctly, in the playtest docs for Transhuman there was a feline pod morph called the Predator (or something). A bit of fiction came with it as a report that it WAS initially an uplift but all the subjects were predatory sociopaths and just make the morph a pod to recoup some of the losses!
Unfortunately, those files aren't available anymore as they weren't CC licensed. That's all I can do as I don't have any copies to transcribe...which is a bummer since there were some other gems in that playtest as well!

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